Some body want to tell me what's going on?

Mel Gibson is a great actor but he is a racist I'm afraid. Three times on one channel they show a clip where he was spewing cuss words and the "N" word. You' think that with his status that he would at least watch his mouth. He better start wearing his sign.

Then it's been really hush hush for some reason but there was a clip where the Black Panthers were keeping people away from the poles. The leader at the time was talking about how he hated the crackers Kill the fathers, Kill the mothers, and Kill the babies. Is this the 60's?

I haven't heard anything like that out of even Mel Gibson, but of course I haven't gone to the latest KKK meeting like I've been accused of either. I bet that's going to stir up shites. The way this one program was talking and had facts to build it up, but it seems as if Obama is surrounded by radicals and that the DOJ has been told to back off.

I guess that's reverse racisim? Why is that? What you ask? Why is it that if a white man says anything about black people, he's a racist, needs to put on white sheets, oh, and hoods, but when a black man says something about the whites it's OK, justified, or over looked.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, I say. And who the hell ever came up with "cracker" hahahahhaah. Whitey sounds worse than that. I guess I'd be a saltine.

I got the feeling I might get highlighted again but hey, I've been marked.

I noticed not anyone else has had anything to say about black people. Now do you have anything to say. I still have the question and I truely would like an answer as to why when white people say anything it's racist, but if black people say any slurs or threaten whits it's OK or overlooked.

Another question, if you saw a couple of black panthers standing around saying racial slurs or  a group of skinheads, would it be racial profiling if your first thought from then on would be to the negative, even if later on different people dressed the same changed your first initial thought.

How can we as human beings ever put this to rest without looking at the cold facts. I don't know how much of this anyone has or will read but because I worte about how the media, movies, and TV was in my opinion going a little overboard with having black men with white women. That it wasn't quite like that yet but they try and make itlike everytime you have a barbeque or a party , you're going to a black man and a white woman at every one of them and that just ain't so, not yet, anyway. Who ever the powers that be are conditioning everyone, just like their champain against smoking, Joe the camel, and now they are going after fat people.To be fair they are starting to put more women as leads in commericials, TV , and movies.

Because of that the first reply was in my opinion as racist, if not more than what I was talking about. I'm surprised I wasn't called a 'cracker', I was told to get a white sheet. Yet, this personcould not see that with what I was accused of could be put right back in that person's lap. Same friggin thing. I pointed this out and this person said that they could admit when they were wrong, but never did.

When I first started the post, I knew how it would be, sort of. I knew that some things would be said.I thought it would stay more to the subject than what it did but it's like when I watched one of Oprah's programs, they were talking about spanking and beating children. I think that in the first 5 minutes of the program they made a distinction between spanking and beating a child, but as the program continued it all was beating a child, even what they said earlier was acceptable.

I was told that I was racist for even saying anything. How is one going to talk about racisim, if you don't say anything??? I was told that I poke and prod, this is true, but how do you get a white elephant sitting in the middle of the room, out of the room if you don't poke and prod? Anybody going to accuse me of being a racist because I said 'white' elephant?

Food for thought, why do you suppose that Hitler, when he got into office, one of the first things he did was burn the books and take over communications. You see how well it worked.

Thankyou my good friend.  Wishing you all the best too.

A hug to you my friend.

I have found that out to be true also.On thinking of my past some of my worse memories are because of losing my temper, but a fourth of those helped save my life. Strange.You have a good week and I wish the best for you.

Hello,  I do my best in my journey of life not to become angry because for me there is no good that comes out of it.

Have a great day my friend.

I wish more people would jump in. I though I was being careful with my wording because I know it's touchy, but when somebody can make 'that race' sound bad it's touchier than I thought. It was not my intention to speak mainly about the black race.That made me remember the saying" the road to hell is filled with good intentions".

When you are a part of bringing about a change, and you have friends in other races that you have been close to, friends with, and even call your brother it's a kick in the head and heart to have someone say you are a hypocrite. It's sort of like God hitting you in the head with a ball bat. I've had it worse than some blacks and better than most, I base this from many years. I do know what it is to be discriminated against, not by color but by clothing, people I associated with, mode of transportation, long hair, an earing, and because I smoked cigarettes.

Yeah, I make mistakes. I had an old guy, this was sometime back, of course, tell me a story.There was a person who applied for a job, the boss asked him how good he was. He stated that he was the best that he doesn't make any mistakes. The boss told him that he didn't have the job. the guy got upset, started yelling and screaming, and asked why not. The boss looked him straight in the eye and told him if you don't make mistakes you don't learn anything. The boss turned around and walked of. Oh, yeah, I've made them and a few timesI've gotten my bass kicked for it. But then again I've been first at doing somethings also.

It showed one thing. The question of why there isn't an open conversation about races. It shows why some people are afraid to open their mouths.

You don't want to know my opinion about women. Peak your interest, hahaha. Or hell my race. To be honest, I don't have a very high opinion of the human race.

We are getting better in some aspects and worse in others. Weighing of the scales. It reminds me of a time I was working for one of those temp type jobs. It was for a factory job. I was told it was on second shift and do I have a problem working for someone younger than me. I replied that if he knows his job, I don't have a problem with it. In other words his age made no difference, which if they were putting him as the foreman then he must know the job(or he was the bosses son). He knew the job.

I imagine there are some who have read these post wanting to say something but afraid, "if I do, then they won't like me or the won't speak to me", some who don't give two shakes one way or the other.

To be honest though I didn't bring it up! The title 'discussing Black' was there and I though, hey, there has been mentioned as to why people don't sit down and talk about race, do to Amus's comments and the professor getting hauled to jail.

So, why is this page blank? I'm not worried about what anyone thinks of me, I've been called everything in the book. So, I thought. I try to judge someone by what they do, how they behave, and their nature.

I have looked into my being to find out who I am. I don't kid myself. There are some parts of me I wish I could do better, others I need to let go. I look don't care what most people think, because I know how they are.

It's hard to keep on track but I try not to worry about things.I know some people who worry weeks , months, even years about something that lies ahead.I look at it that you don't need to worry about anything until that thing happens.... then it's to late. It's time to do something about it. Quirkie, yes, but it gets me by. Then there is the story that is in ' The Mystic Path to Cosmic Power '. Go ahead laugh. I smirk at it now days myself, but this one story stood out.

There were two monks who came to a stream. They stopped and rested for awhile.A woman came along the same path and stopped at the stream. They had a conversation and the monks found out that she was a prostitute. The monks decide the time was right to cross and go along their way. The prostitute asked if one of them would carry her across the stream. She didn't want to ruin he cloths. One monk said he'd carry her across the stream. He did and the monks were on their way. Down the road several miles the other monk told the kind monk that he shouldn't have done that that she was not pure. The kind monk says, " I carried her across the stream and let her down to be on her way. You are still carrying her!"

Oh, by the way ekikaseven,. I agree with you about being straight forward, bold, and honest. if you ever want to talk about those painful times, I have an ear and a shoulder.

Maybe later, There are some other things I must do first.

See this way I'll keep you in stitches for a while. hahaha

Schmidty,

Thank you for the shoulder & the ear. It would be good to have someone to talk to.

BTW, I am intrigued to know your say on women. Please do share.

Have a great night.

No need to thank me. It's my big mouth nature. I found it interesting. Truly interesting.I wish more would jump in, chime in,have their say and express themselves.

If they want to stay on the path of the black race, OK. Or if they wan to talk about the governments manipulation of the media. That's OK also. The title is black and as I stated, it could be black hat, black head zits, black shoes, etc. It's just discussing " black".

You mention we're all like family, well sort of, I guess that amounts to your point of view, again. I do agree that we should be able to get on here and say what's on our minds to a point. There is always a point. Just like the law.

If a person says they don't have a mean bone in their body, they aren't prejudice, they don't have a care in the world, I'll say bull. Refering to the paragraph above to a point. I think that we all have the same emotions. We are human. We are the same. Take anger, a person might not get angry when certain things are said, who knows why, maybe he/she is thinking about what to do next ,etc. But then gets a paper cut and tears the paper in anger or swats at mosquitos instead of letting them bite. That is still anger. Same way with the other emotions, we all have them to some degree.

I thank you for speaking your mind.

Hey Schmidty,

I am glad you brought this post up.

I am reminded of my little poodle. He is spoiled & yes he's a lap dog. One day a few months ago, I noticed he was limping on one of his legs. Poor thing, looked like he was uncomfortable. So, me being his 'mommie' went to check his leg out.

This loving little toy poodle, who I know loves his mommie with all his heart did something to my dismay. When I tried to look at his leg, he instinctively turn and 'bit me'. I was in shock. This is the little doggie who follows me everywhere I go & is so protective of me. We took him to the vet. The problem was he had a 'hang nail' or should I say a 'broken claw'. It caused him pain. So, my 'touching it' hit a 'nerve'. And, that is what made this sweet little doggie act that way.

I must say for me that your post 'hit a nerve'. It brought up pain that I thought was no longer there. Thus, for the animalistic reaction. Of which,there was no excuse for. But, it help me to see areas that I need to work on.

I don't know if anyone has ever experienced where you stick a fork in your mouth or maybe eat some ice cream and it cause extreme pain because it hit a nerve in your tooth. I have. It has happened in a tooth that I never thought I had a cavity in. Well, this is what this post did. Even I did not realize the depth of the pain.

Thank you for bringing it to the surface. Maybe, one day I will be able to share some of the examples of the things that I have been through. So that it will help in my healing.

Also, I must say that I have come to love you. I am a straightforward,bold person. And, one thing about us is we like other straighforward, bold people.

Keep up the good work!

Matthew 7, 1-6

Judge not, that ye be judged not

For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged:

and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in your brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that's in your own eye?

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and , behold a beam is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, least they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Matthew 7, 16-20

Ye shall know them by thier fruits. Do you men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good treebringeth forth good fruit;but acorrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

I has to go back and reread these, and in doing so wish to express that I apologize to any and all if what I have written offends you , and apparently some people it does.

It shows how no matter how careful you try to be, someone can look at it in a different way.

Bravo, I'd have to agree with almost everthing you pointed out.

I agree we must have rules, growing up I don't think any of us did but we do. I would also like to extend on the fears, because of our fears we could loose some of the freedoms we have.

I don't know if this is true but I heard that the government is trying to limit our freedom of speech even further.

I don't know who you thought would yell at you but In my opinion, some of the manipulation that the government does may be needed but we all must watch it carefully. As you have pointed out. The few out weighing the many, although sometimes the many aren't right and the few are.

I've already opened that can about illegals. That's a whole other conversation.

Thank you for having the courage to jump in here  and get your feet wet. Hope you add more. And thank you for heading it back to the point.

You are such a sweetheart.

You have a friend in me.

Maybe, when we both get to feeling better we can meet & have lunch.

I love you like a sister even though we have never met.

G-d bless you

Aw.. Nina,

You are so sweet. Your kinds words are about to make me cry.

I am so sorry that a person did that to you. No one should have to endure that. That person should get the electric chair as far as I'm concerned. Or, he should at the minimum get a 'life sentence'. Afterall, when a person is disabled then thats a 'life sentence'. Oh, don't get me started!!!

Your posts always lift me up. They are so inspirational.

The world is a better place because you are in it.

You got that right!

Words can do more harm then a 'stick'. A physical wound will heal quicker than an emotional wound.

Hi Nina,

You are such a sweet person. I think biracial kids are so beautiful. I could never imagine you being a bigot. Your good heart come across in all your posts.

I'm afraid I was very hasty & mean in my post to schmidty. I have been the victim of much racism. I guess its been too much pain. Still, that was no excuse for my being ugly to him.

Life is strange, one can be so cruel to another person just because of their skin. Then, when that same person gets old or sick they will find that a person of another race 'is their only friend'. People of their own race have long forsaken them. I have seen this many times.

Thank you for your beautiful post. I really appreciate it.

G-d bless you

Who ever came up with the saying,"Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me!" didn't know what he or she was talking about.

Thank you and I hope God Blesses you and yours. As the Irish would say Hope you are in heaven a half an hour before the devil knows you're gone.And I'll add that I hope it's not none to soon.

I'm sorry you had to go through the pain that you did because of the stupidity and ignorance.

I tend to think of myself as open, open to the wide gambit at which you have opened up to discuss.  What are my views?  Where do I go from and to?  Well, I'll be honest.  As a person, we are smart and intelligent (for the most part).  We look at life with a certain pragmatism that often defers to common sense.  Now inversely, as a group, we are judgmental, prideful, prejudicial, and emotional to a fault.

We are raised by different personalities, groups, and histories.  These experiences have influenced our lives in an almost subconscious effect.  Elderly will tend to avoid large groups of youths, often citing fears of being assaulted or bothered.  People in general will turn around if they see a single dog walking their way.  Children will not go into a dark room alone.  These fears are created by our own experiences, as well as the experiences from those around us.  They are created, in some way, by the fear of the unknown.

 Can I say that I am prejudice?  No, I do not believe so.  As a matter of fact, I try to go out of my way to treat everybody equal.  That said, my own experiences have created certain uneasy feelings when certain situations present themselves.  Do I believe that the Government (City, State, Federal, etc) is trying to control us?  I would be naive to say no, as to a certain degree, I believe that they are.  Now, You are all probably going to yell at me here, however, here it goes.  

Cause:  Tickets for Speeding.  Effect: Much needed revenue for municipalities, plus people don't care about others and wish to speed and do whatever, so that they can do what they want.  Since these people don't understand my anger "How Dare They Put My Family At Risk So That They Can Get There 2 Minutes Sooner", so the government has to impose fines to force people to slow down.

Cause:  6 Month Moratorium on Deep Water Drilling.  Effect:  Please note, this is only on new drill sites.  This doesn't affect existing sites, or the sites already located and under construction.  These issues present themselves because the same companies we complain about having record profits continue to produce unsafe policies and guidelines that led to the worst ecological disaster recorded.  We are, which includes me, a situation that leads to necessitate our need for fossil burning fuels.  We live further and further from work and school, that we need to drive to survive.  I get that, however, we need to save our environment for our children, which should be understandable, that we should make sure all existing and future energy production is done to the safest for us and the environment, to the best of our ability.  We have the technology and foresight to do so.  

Cause Financial reform:  Failure of the financial industry from everybody's greediness.  Effect: The necessity to create financial reform.  Now, capitalism by theory is the ability to make as much as you can and run.  What can I do today to make more money tomorrow.  This was the main idea that came into play with default credit swaps.  Everybody would and does understand what basic risk is.  Would you give a person you do not know 1000.00 dollars if you knew that they had no way to pay it back or collateral to earn your money back.  Of course not.  Well, these companies found a way to bundle these toxic assets into valid secure funds and guarantee large returns.  Think Madoff of the residential and banking industries.  These companies did this, and we went blindly because we liked the returns in the good times, and never thought that it could go bad.  Well, guess what, it did, and they ran away with the money, and still got bailed out.  Do I believe that it's something that needed to be done, YES, however, as the saying goes, First time your fault, Second time my fault.  The Government reform is needed to maintain accountability with these multinational conglomerates, and yes, to protect the greedy part of us all.

 Everybody has brought up the race issue.  I believe that everybody's opinion should be heard.  Which is why I am writing as well.  These types of conversations should be held in the open with complete transparency, as this is the only way to get an honest dialog on the table.  Now this will get me really in trouble.  As a Caucasian and as of the 2000 census, I am part of the minority group in the USA.  Now don't hurt me, if you look at the numbers, a Caucasian in the USA accounts for 29% of the population, where the documented minority accounts for the other 71%.  If you look at what the ACLU, when it was created, they did terrific and much needed work, however, look at the new cases and causes that they undertake.  I challenge everybody to do this.  Politicians, Businesses, and people alike are afraid of these organizations.  Like all special interest groups, they are steering most of the political will of the country in their direction, and in some cases, at a detrimental cause to the local populations.  Please do not get me wrong, I support the cause of the individual, however, when should that come at the cost of the majority.  AGAIN, I AM NOT SPEAKING ABOUT PEOPLES INALIENABLE RIGHTS, I am speaking about something like fighting the 1st Amendment because a small group in AZ didn't like it.

 When did the rights of the few outweigh the rights of the many?  Even though we are a republic and not a true democracy, we still celebrate democratic principles, which is where we should try to follow.  These same groups try to say they are upholding the founding fathers vision of the constitution, however, their direction have become so convoluted, and the fear from politicians have created an environment of fear.  This fear has caused a government body utterly ineffective.  Please research some of these as well.  Whenever a new bill is proposed, is there not an automatic lawsuit, on behalf of plaintiffs they've searched out by the way, for a Cease and Desist order?  Now I digress, I am complaining now.

 I like where this conversation has started from.  Let's open up our feelings and keep it civilized.  If we start a dialog, properly respectful, maybe it will grow to new bounds and expand our understanding of each other, and hopefully the ability to respectfully agree to disagree while respecting each other even if our views are different.  Besides, wasn't our country founded by different groups that, as you see today, has become the worlds largest melting pot of cultures?  I love culture and learning as much as I can about each one that I come across.

 C'mon, enjoy life and the diversity that it brings. 

BTW, when a black man call another black man 'dog' it connotates that a "friend" or "I got your back".

Well strange as this seems, I do agree with some of your thinking. Perhaps, I was a bit hasty in my reaction to your post. No, I was hasty. Please forgive me. Thats not normally like me. I guess I have experienced too much pain. However, its not your fault. I don't even know you. You are quite right. Its not only the white race that is biased. I have been around all races of people. And someone in all races can't stand some of another race. You are also right in that I have not walked in your shoes too. Of course, being from the deep south I have had more than a few bad experiences.

Of course, I disagree with you about people marrying outside their race. As far as I'm concerned a person can marry whomever they choose. This is as long as I do not have to take care of them. By the way, I am married outside my race. My husband is white & I am black. Its great. We are happy. Of course, like most couples we get on each other's nerves at times.  I also have Native American/Indian heritage. Yeah, I said it. I will honor my grandparents.  

 Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Unfortunately, most of us can only see through our 'own eyes' based upon our experiences in life. I am no exception.

Have a great night & G-d bless you.

I'm not looking for it to get colorful, launguage that is. I search for the truth. I have learned somethings from this discussion and I hope more would step up to the plate.I agree that there is an elephant in the room and trying to sweep it under the rug isn't going to help.I liked the way you ended it with turn out the lights. Great stuff.

Yes, I poke. It's the only way to get people to say what they are going to say.I admit I'm and instigator. Someone has to be at times. But you know, I'm sorry, I don't think it's laid to rest.

I have not said anything bad about the black people, race, whatever floats your boat. You aren't the only one who has made a non racist statemnet of wearing a white hood or sheet.

You have not shown anything to really justify what you claim. Instead you make accusations that everyone is suppose to accept as truth and then you want to walk away.

What did I say that was racist? Yes, you diligently highlighted and pointed out what you thought was going on, but you missed the point completely. Now that you see that you did miss the point , you want to sweep it under the rug. Yes, In your opinion it is over. i'm not going to dignify your post with calling you names and asking 'am I right'.

I learned that I'm something I didn't know that I was. I would like to know how I'm suppose to correct it. You claim I'm racist, how could I have written the article any different , so I wouldn't come across as racist.

You make accusations, right or wrong, and then want it dropped because you have spoken. Should we bow down in front of you also.

I'm saying that there is no difference between the races except color of skin. Where is that wrong. Tell me enlighten this stupid whiteman that needs to wear a white hood. Sling names but you don't want to teach or help understand .

If I'm as bad as all that then teach me . Show me where I am wrong. How could it be better. I really would like to know.

I didn't bring up the "N" word you did, why? That was a big help at keeping it civil. With making accusations, without trying to find out if what you perceive is true, isn't a discussion it's a statement.

Yes sirrreeee, there is an elephant in the room and nobody is trying to move it, the only thing you came up with is turn out the lights

oh, I am really interested in knowing how it could have been suitable for you. What was so racist compared to your not being racist. I would like to know how you say I'm one thing without trying to understand what I'm trying to say, yet you can say the things that you have and you aren't racist?

My my my,after reading some of your post, I am surprised. At least you aren't highlighting me.

The experiment that you speak of was done by a man back in the early 60's or late 50's and it was called ,"Black like me". It was a very good read. I have to agree that not all places are going to be as open minded as other places, I use that word instead of 'fair' it's like normal, what's normal or fair to whom and what set of circumstances, and let's not forget when.

You are right I don't know exactly. of how it is for the black people, did I say I did? In my opinion I have been close. I ride motorcycles, I use to ride in a club. They were looked down upon as if they are skum, a plaque on the earth. I could walk into a bar and within 10-15 minutes, would hear 'comments' some trying to start sht some I don't think was suppose to be heard. There were other times that it seemed like it was hunting season because someone wanted to prove how big and bad they thought they were. I do have an idea about the stupidity of man.This was all brought on because of wearing a jacket that had an emblem on it and a motorcycle.

Then again you may or may not agree. Let me point out though that you are full of it. " It's not the blacks that are keeping predjudice alive and well." Be truthful, it's both sides I'm afraid. The first time anything is said about blacks the first thing you hear is racist or predjudice, why is that if it's only the white race. I said this form the get go and as you can see it is holding true. If the "other race" would stop being biased. Yeah, I guess predjudice is alive and well. if I tried your experiment I know I would find enjustice. I'm not saying that the world is perfect, but we have made  headway. If the "other race" was so biased and predjudice do you think that Obama would be in office???

People say if there wasn't the HATE it would be better, true but not what you would think . There is always going to be indifference no matter who, what, when, where, or how. Whereever there is indifference there is conflict and if you have conflict you have the possiblity of anger and of anger fights. I don't see that changing. Especially when out of the blue I'm told to adorn my white hooded sheet. As you can see I'm not hiding nothing.I still hope God Smiles upon you.

Boy, this is really getting interesting. is it because I'm white that you come out swinging, slinging racist, predjudice, whitehooded sheets. Preconcieved ideas?

I'm not saying ignorant sht like that about you. When I said that I don't think that blacks ought to mix with the whites in marriage, I'll rephrase it to No race should marry out of their race, group or people how ever you want it phrased.

You aren't biased none in the least are you, yet it's the other race. If that isn't a real good example? I don't know what is.

You my friend haven't walked a mile in my shoes either. You don't know the crap I've taken from man and even woman, before I would lash out  in fear and anger. Fighting was "normal" I had long hair(wish I still did), I was critisized for that, I had an earing, I was criticized for that, I didn't have money, and I could go on. That anger helped ruin a marriage maybe two and it wasn't doing me any good. It seemed as if it just made things worse.

I may not have walked a mile in your shoes but if the holes in mine match the holes in yours I do have an idea even though it may not be exact.

Thank you for expressing your opinion and having the courage to do so. May God Bless.

Based on your posts in this topic, I think you get a kick out of instigating most things - kind of like a kid poking an animal with a stick - just to see what will happen...

You may think my response was guarded, and you may be right. However, if you were looking for a more colorful discussion, I will not take the bait and lower myself to use terms that have no place here. I am sure there are many other sites on the net which allow graphic language and foul behavior - this is not one of them. As far as I am concerned, the matter has been laid to rest. You have stated your opinion, as have I, and others. Again, we can agree to disagree, or not, but again, as far as I am concerned, the matter is closed.

Continuing to message this topic serves no purpose. Apparently, we have all chosen to defend our beliefs rather than learn from one another. The elephant is in the room, and we have all acknowledged it.  Will the last one to leave, please turn off the light?

Well said , guarded, and defensive. You said it was the most hypocritical=meaning I was a hypocrit. Let's take a look at the word hypocrite:one who pretends to be pious, virtuous, etc. without really being so. Read your last post.

When you started reading my post you already had it in your head what I was talking about. You missed the point. You were so anxious to pick it apart. This I believe we all have problems with.

The point was though that whether it was liberals, conservatives, democrats, republicans, whites, blacks, whoever the powers that be is using the media,especailly TV and the movies in the attempt to brainwash, or some might think correct, our thinking. The same way as they are doing by not showing people smoking or having cigarrette commericials. That's it! You took the conversation in a whole different direction. Which is interesting.

You got upset because I said something about white and black races. The word race could have been replaced with group or people, but I don't think that would have mattered the way you came out gnarling and gnashing.

I have to agree that my spelling of Mulatto was wrong, maybe it is archaic but at the time I heard it by a couple of different people, they spoke of it in pride, like they were creating something new.

What I was trying to explain is that the supreme being made people different and we ought to be proud of who we are no matter what color. Just like I believe a marriage should be between a man and a woman. Before you pull your head out of the sand and come gnawing and gnashing. If two men or two women want to be together then it should be called a partnership. A small difference and it's interchangable but a difference all the same. What are you going to read into that?

It doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong about white or black people because we all make mistakes in all types of demeanors. If a white child keeps causing trouble is he a trouble maker-yes. If a child of another color does the same thing is he or she a trouble maker? Yes.

As in all conversations the reason why they fail is because one or the other has preconceived notions and refuses to understand the other side. I was strating out with apples and you heard or read what you wanted in it and went word for word, line for line, with(hahahaha) highlights setting out to prove me wrong by what ever you were or are thinking as being right. Even as in the second posting, you kept asking ,"am I right am I right." That's really important for you isn't it. You are the rightous one , you have the power, you know all. When to me and your missing the point completely I see and ostrich who pulled it's head out of the sand  and started gnarling and gnashing like a junkyard dog. I'm sorry that it didn't work out with you and the cop, maybe that's why you couldn't really see what I was talking about. Like the phrase says let those who hear hear and those who see see.

Now if you would have called me an A hole I would have to agree with you right now with no discussion. I'm also a bastard. Like I said 200 years from now what's it going to matter. If what they are saying about 2012 is right then neither of our opinion matter, I even question whether they matter now or not, but in 200 years your opinion and my opinion will not matter, what will matter is what we teach our children. As far as what do the black people think about mixed marriages, it's pretty much the same. They don't like it either, most races prefer that they themselves and their children stay within that race. Thus my comment that the only thing that bothers me is on the affects the children. the families of both individuals turns against them to some degree, then how other people will treat them. I don't see what is wrong with feeling that way. It's no different than if two men or two women want to raise a child. It is always harder on the children no matter what the intentions of the two individuals.

I'm not trying to be right or wrong, you want to be right , then you are , in your own mind, and nothings going to change it. Me, I just wanted to start a conversation about how the government ot whoever the powers that be are trying to change peoples minds by flooding the TV and Movies with what they think is right for us.

See I knew that it would bring different feelings and emotions out on whoever had the guts to conversate, but I did think it would stay more to the point.But since you opened the field even wider let's see what others think. the Ahole and the ostrich agree to disagree.

Let those who hear hear and those who see see. But I have to admit, I really didn't think I was going to be highlighted. I got a kick out of that. I hope more people will jump in with their "opinions'. This is interesting. I guess it's like baseball , if you pitch a ball , you have know idea on where it's going to go. I thank you  for stating yours and having the guts to do so.

I must admit though , I couldn't think of another word than normal, I though tolerance, but I could see how that would be misread, I think now that maybe if I used accepted behaviour it would have sounded softer. But then I like hard tails over soft tails but have to admit a soft tail is a softer ride. Sorry, motorcycle lingo, couldn't help myself.

One of the reason in certain post I make the statement of knowing the other side of the story. We shouldn't judge, but we do,just like whoknew stated. It's human nature, but we can reflect on what we are judging and change our minds.

Thank you again for stepping up. I truly hope more people do , maybe us poor folk can teach the different classifications how to conversate.

schmidty,

You have never been black. You don' have a CLUE. Your ignorance has come across loud & clear. Do an experiment, have your skin airbrushed black,put on a black fro wig then go around in your usually places you go & see what kind of response you get. Maybe, the area that you live in is a 'fair place'. However, all places are not.

Racism is alive & well. Blacks would love to 'get over it'. If you had a 'clue' you would know that its not blacks that are keeping prejudice alive & well. If the 'other' race would stop being biased, be fair, stop hating,etc then people would 'get over it'.

Rather than taking time out our day to try to explain things to someone who is so 'clueless', I'd prefer you go back & hid under your white hooded sheet.

Goodnight

No, its not hard to put my opinion out there... I replied to your post, line, by line, so as NOT to be misconstrued.I did not label you, you did that all on your own. Were my assumptions correct? Perhaps, but only you and your actions can answer that. Was I correct in my opinion? My opinion was one of racial acceptance. Let me put it to you this way, if you were blind, would color really matter?

People are complex by nature, however, an entire race should NOT be judged by the actions of a few. This post is not about the bible, it is about your opinion of black people, nothing more. If we judged the entire white race based on politician's actions, then what does that say about us? However, if we had judged ourselves, based upon the actions of people on aidpage, would the world have a different view of us, as a country? 

People should evolve with the times. Views that were acceptible even 10 years ago are less acceptable now. Perhaps it is politically correct, maybe it is just common sense and decency. 

The internet, I believe, was invented to bring the world closer together - to make information more accessible, and to bring about change in the human race. While no one needs to know the innermost secrets of everyone's lives, it is out there - for better or worse. 

It doesn't matter to me what race a person is. It boils down to what type of person they are. One who judges others based on their ethnicity, their culture, their religion, or even their skin color, to me, appears to be little more than an ignorant, shallow version of a human being. It is no different than those who judge based upon appearance, wealth or education. No one should judge another based on superficiality. They should not judge, period, but they do, we all do. Hopefully, it will be based on more in depth qualities such as integrity, respect, and concern for our fellow human beings.

I do have my faults, and I will be the first to admit so. Maybe my tolerance is out of place in a world so filled with hate. Maybe , my attitude about doing for oneself is out of sync in a world filled with a sense of entitlement. I am pushy and I know I can come across as a "know it all", but I will also be the first to admit, that any knowledge I have gained was out of self preservation and access to individuals with different view points via the internet. Am I smarter than the average person? Absolutely not!  I am always, learning and evolving, every moment, every day. But everyone has the same ability - they just need the desire. Yes, I am outspoken, when it comes to an unjust attitude. When someone is wronged, I will defend them, when I know the facts - regardless of their sex, religion, color, etc... Am I wrong? Oh yes, I can be, and I will be the first to apologize. I never try to rise above others, only the situation.  

ultimately , as you said, everyone has an opinion , this was mine... agree to disagree, or not, there it is...  

NO, I am not afraid at all. I've never been the 'fraidy cat' type person.

I did type a nice reply but my computer messed up. I just haven't found the time to re-do it all over.

You see it's hard to put your opinion out there because it's like you pointed out almost line for line everything you could pick apart. It's said that the devil can use the Bible to preach from.Especially when a person feels so strongly about a subject.

Just as in the Bible you really need to read the two verses above and below to get the true meaning behind a sentence.

You showed a fine example of how someone who feels they must defend what they feel. My friend Humphrey, helped me see this a long time ago.I talked about the colored(that's what I was raised with) he asked what color were they, I said brown, he said do they all have sun tans and I said no, he said then what color are they. I said black and he said there you go, we're black.

As far as my friend and brother JO, I moved two states away and on a visit back to my home town I heard he went to New York. Back then we didn't have computers and cell phones.You'd have to know the situation. At the time it didn't seem like families kept in touch the way they do now. I don't need to know when my brother scrathes his head but now the way everyone twitters and IM's you would think that's the case. Oh, by the way, I'm still trying to find him.

So you are saying that when I'm asked what race I am, I'm supposed to say I'm German, Welsh, Irish, Finnish, American Indian-American, instead of just American.

Although I haven't seen the white women you speak of, I know of some that are very similar. I have also seen blacks that are the same way. So, what do we call them Trash Americans?

As far as I'm concerned the "N" word(I had to go back and make it a capital because of it's importance here. As far as that word to me it means no more than someone saying son of a bitch or the dreaded "MF". Because in growing up, if some one said that word or words they were usually said in anger and it helped cause a fight. Now days, it's no big deal, it's said in all types of situations. Another example the blacks call each other the "N" word and it's no big deal, it's has only slightly been replaced by "Dog" should that be put as "D" word?

As far as Aidpage, it doesn't matter what race a person is because there are some who are here to help and others who need help. Just like anything else it's give and take.

At least I'm not afraid to be critized. If you think that was hypocritical, you don't know the full story. I have many opinions, depending on the time, situation, and medication they could very well change from this to that in seconds. It's like the phrase goes Everyone has an opinion.

See, I don't know if you had a bad day, a good day, you hit your thumb, etc. before you read the posting. Now you have me labeled. You didn't ask what I meant by" " or did I mean " " you assumed you knew. You knew what I meant by what you assumed, your opinion, your feelings at the time, how you were treated today, etc. You assumed you were more right than I, you assumed you knew better than me, you assumed that you. You, Not what did I mean! You already assumed the position, maybe it was because of that cop, I don't know. You can't talk to a wall.

This is why there needs to be communication, it's like a marriage.You have to give and take, you have to try and understand the other persons feelings. See I said other persons so I wouldn't get hate mail about be hypocritical of gays or lesbions since they like keeping it separted, by it I mean the lable.

You may or may not be smarter than I am, but does that really matter? Isn't it how you treat people(of all races).

Apparently you haven't read many of my post, to get the feel of what I was trying to say, you like me at one time Jumped the gun and made a judgement call, without all the facts. I will agree though , I'm a complex person. I have different views about the same subject. Ask me tomorrow and it may be different, or seem different.

I appreciate you expressing your opinion, some of what you claim may be right, I don't think so, but then again that's my opinion. I still think highly of you. But I promise you that if you say something I think is wrong, I'll ask a question to find out if what I'm thinking is what you are thinking, before I start picking it apart.

The word 'Bigot':a person who holds predjudice against a racial or religious group.

The word 'Bigoted' narrow-minded and intolerant.

Everybody is predjudice to a point, that's why there is a difference of opinion on varying subjects, and it's through discussion that you find out the meaning of that opinion.

But notice one thing. I didn't go through everything you said, word by word, sentence by sentence,trying to express my opinion over yours. I only said that I didn't think so. I didn't lable you as a certain type of person the way you did me. Who's right and who's wrong, what's it matter and who cares this is a discussion to probe the inner person.

I have no ill will. I still care about you(as much as one can through a website) and value your opinion more because you were willing to express yourself. More people need to express themselves. It's easier to tell someone else what they are doing wrong in our opinion than it is to find out just exactly what they are truly saying.

Hope you have a real good day and God Bless.

WOW! This is quite possibly the most hypocritical, racist vent I have ever heard on this site.

If you are so proud of the way you feel, why not take it a step further and use the "N" word? Wear that white hood, if it makes you feel good! 

You have friends of "that race" - somehow, I find that very hard to believe. If you did, your post would not exist.

blacks ought not mix with the white race  -what about whites mixing with the black race? How do you think it makes the black people feel when they see a black and white couple together?

Mulatos - ???? - The correct spelling is mulatto - not that it matters because that archaic term is possibly as offensive as the "N" word

your race has been treated badly, get over it. They aren't now.  - REALLY? Have you even READ your post? It is a person with attitudes such as yours that allows these racist feelings to perpetuate. 

oh, poor me, I'm being treated badly because I'm Black - with attitudes such as yours, there is no wonder why people feel that way... You CANNOT compare your situation with a black man's - there is NO comparison. 

The black people I call friends are the ones who act like normal every day people. What I mean, before some one jumps the gun, is they have the attitude that O.K. I'm Black and You are white , so what! Who cares! - Apparently, YOU CARE - because you chose to expose your opinion about a particular race.

One dear friend of mine. J.O. bless his soul, was a very good friend and as life has it, I know not where he is. - A friend? Yet, you don't care where he ended up or what happened to him? - Some friend. 

What TV are you watching?

As for relationships - maybe the black woman has the right idea and has learned what useless jerks white men are and chooses to stay single. 

What matters is that we all get along - how is that possible when attitudes such as yours exist? 

we mature as individual - apparently some do, some do not....

you are all the same - we are, if only people were educated enough to realize it...

I recently dated a man who had the same views as you. He felt he was educated; in fact, he even had a job in law enforcement. 3 weeks into the relationship, His views became quite clear. In no uncertain terms he stated, “I hate "N". While I should have ended it right there, I thought, wrongly, people can change. He treated me well and I thought he was entitled to his beliefs due to the nature of his job. 3 days after his statement, he screamed at me in public, humiliated me, and called me stupid. 

I ended it. He had the audacity to ask why. Hate is hate - regardless of who is the recipient - and it never changes.

God created man and woman - not a multicolored rainbow of races to divide and conquer - that was genetics for survival.  Skin color on a person denotes their ancestry. Scientific fact states that the closer our ancestors lived to the equator, the darker the skin/hair color. The further away, the lighter the skin and hair color.  However, beneath the skin, we are all comprised of the same basic body parts. Different cultures have different ways of life. 

It is the attitude you are displaying that perpetuates hate and intolerance.  Your disgust at bi-racial children, mixed marriages, reverse discrimination - that allows ignorance to continue to grow and flourish. That is sad.

As I have stated before, I work with 150 women. The majority of which are white, middle-age, middle class and "Christian". I have more respect for/by and am treated better by the black women in my office than I am by the white women. The black women are hard working, respectful people who want nothing more than to be treated equally - with respect. They have to work twice as hard for the same acknowledgement as the white women -whether they are in the office or not.

They deal with more than the white women's share of garbage both in and out of the office. None of them are allowed to hold managerial positions. All have families, they are educated, and many own homes. So why are they treated so unfairly? Because of their skin color. 

It is the same attitude you display that appears everywhere I go. I live in a multicultural neighborhood. The only people I have a problem with are white. Their kids are disrespectful and ignorant. They run up and down the street screaming and using foul language at all hours of the day. Their parents are sitting around getting drunk or high and don't care what their kids are doing. Being a single white woman, who has raised 2 kids of my own, I know how hard it is to survive. But, that is no excuse to misbehave. If anything, it should give you more reason to fight harder. It is more reason to help others less fortunate - regardless of their race, religion, or culture.

It is attitudes, such as yours, that sets people back. It prevents them from seeking success. I have met many people like you in my lifetime. I grew up with them, and they still exist in my family. I chose not to follow their beliefs because I knew they were wrong. I chose not to instill those beliefs in my children because I knew they were wrong.

People are people - they are my kind - and whether I, or my children, are gay, or choose to date someone of color, or of a different culture, or religion, is our choice. If they are happy and respected by the one they love, and it is reciprocated, then that is all that matters.

I had hoped that Aidpage would be no different. A gathering of people to help others simply for the sake of helping - regardless of who they are or where they come from. It is a place to leave behind old beliefs and open yourself to NEW thoughts and ideas. There is no "back of the bus" here. There is no segregation or preferential treatment - we just are. It’s a shame not everyone got the message.

I don't see were there is any discussing going on! You want to discuss the color black, people that are black or a mood of black?

Right now, I'm typing to a wall and computer screen.Everyone is tippy toeing around the subject, yet they say we need more discussion on 'black'. That's strange because if you do then all of a sudden you are either a racist or a black lover. Just for stating you opinion.

Well, I'll tell you my opion and there are going to be a lot of people who will agree but won't say so and there are going to be others that are going to want me to shut up and die. That will be soon enough when the Lord calls, so right now I'm going to say what I think, yes I've gotten in trouble before because I have a big mouth and there isn't much that I fear, let alone someones opinion of me. Everyone has one, isn't that part of the saying?

The African-American community has come a long way, fighting for rights that they should have had in the first place. No doubt about it! I'm glad to have been part of the movement that made this so. A small part but a part none the less.

I have and have had friends of that race. I'm not prejudice in many way's but to be honest, in some ways I am

I believe that blacks ought not mix with the white race because of the stigma that it gives the children. I've known people who have mixed, and instead of being honest to them, they try to hide the fact that they are half breeds by claiming that they are a new race called Mulatos. Half breeds of Indians, Mexicans, Asian, German's, Italians, and the other races don't try hiding this factby claiming to be another 'breed' or 'race'.

But back to the point( ah, if there is one) I find that the older I get the more prejudice that I get. Why? You might be wondering. Well, I hope I can explain this so it's understood and not to fuel anyones' hatred or anger but I know the chips are going to fall where they may.

I am sick and tired of the Black race pulling the prejudice card and racist card every freaking time their feelings get hurt or something is said about them whether it's true or false. O.K., your race has been treated badly, get over it. They aren't now. That's history. Let it go. It's like Obama blaming Bush for all his troubles. Bush was only part of it. Some of the problems he is facing has been there for a long long time. After a while you say to yourself, come on. You know? There are better ways to explain it than to blame the opposition. That only fuels the anger for both sides.

Then there's the attitude, oh, poor me, I'm being treated badly because I'm Black. Well, damn it, I'm white and I'm being treat badly by your race because of something that I had no control over. It's like a married couple who bickers constantly. Brining up the past in every arguement. You did this and you did that! Like two kids on the play ground. They wonder why their families fall apart, any race.

The black people I call friends are the ones who act like normal every day people. What I mean, before some one jumps the gun, is they have the attitude that O.K. I'm Black and You are white , so what! Who cares!

Tell me this isn't so? One dear friend of mine. J.O. bless his soul, was a very good friend and as life has it, I know not where he is. A whole other story, anyway, there are others. I don't want to drift of point, so, it's like anything else nobody likes things shoved down there throats. It's like the Iraqies when Hussain took control of the contry, and he get it from Hitler, trying to force their way on people.

Look at the programs now days, especially the commercials, there are very few who have just one race in it any more. Some how, some way they manage to squeeze in more than one race. Only now the main character, besides the product it's self, is either a woman, a black person, or a blackman and a white woman. Rarely, is it a white man and a black woman. Trying to make it like everyday occurences. Trying to force people opinions and make it a Utopia where everyone gets along, conforms, brainwashing everyday day in and day out. It's not real life, sure there are instances that are like that but not everyone.

I have to ask myself, does every barbeque have mixed races at them, every tailgate party, every house hold. I'm beginning to think that a white man is the minority now. All there is is mixed couples and almost always a Black man and a White woman. I am surprised that the Black women hasn't started a movement against this, or anyone for that matter. The Black woman has got to be asking herself, why aren't there more White men and Black women together? Aren't I just as pretty and smart as a white woman? Aren't I just as good as a White woman. I mean come on, it's got me wondering why they are trying to make it so normal and life like when it just ain't so.

Why, is it being shoved down our throats. If any Black women start a movement to correct this  and make commercial more life like, real life, normal, I'll be right there on the front lines.

I think it's about time that all races start acting or being who they really are, PEOPLE, we are of different races, GOD, for the lack of a better definition, made us that way. there is nothing wrong. Be proud of the race that you are. Red, White, Black, yellow, green, purple, or gray it doesn't matter. What matters is that we all get along and quit with the 'inner child thing' there is a reason that we mature as individual, as a race, as a nation, and as a world.

There that's my opinion. I'll back off now and let any and everyone think and say what they want, call me names, agree, or disagree. It matters not. 200 years from now what's it going to matter. It will be different but will it be better? I doubt it! Besides in the year 2012 the world might end. We'll all be hitting dirt beds whther we like it or not.

I could go on about Black just as many can go on about White just like kids on as school ground back and forth, back and forth, but we as human beings are going to be who we are, what we are, and even if the Supreme Being of what ever religion you hold dear to your heart says," Poof, you are all the same." Will we realize that it will not matter abot the color because will will still find something to argue about. That's my land, that's my or that's wrong will always be in our vocabulary.

I go now to hide from the rock throwing, bye, later, here I go, Poof!!

I know we all wish this. I'm just making a statement. I just felt the need.